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 Post subject: Windsor Soap
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:46 pm 

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I'm trying to find some fragrances for men's soap, and I came across a recipe for this fragrance blend, which is used to make something called Windsor Soap, from Sandy Maine's book, The Soap Book. I've written the recipe in percentages.

Cassia 50%
Cumin 11%
Clove 11%
Lavender 11%
Thyme 7%
Neroli Pettigrain 11%

Is the cassia a bit high? I can't find anything that makes sense (at this time of day!) as to cautions on the usage rate of cassia. Everything I can find says that cinnamon bark and leaf EOs have more eugenol, but I can't get a simple answer for cassia (if there is one!).

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 Post subject: Re: Windsor Soap
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:35 pm 
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Cassia and clove at that % might be irritating, unless they are used at a low %, well diluted in perfumer's alcohol like eau de cologne.

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 Post subject: Re: Windsor Soap
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:49 pm 

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Wow, so .007% for the clove is still too much? I wouldn't think you could even smell it at less than that.

Do you suppose a cinnamon FO would make any difference?

Thanks for the help.

Anita

P. S. Wouldn't you think Sandy Maine would know this???? :D


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 Post subject: Re: Windsor Soap
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:59 pm 
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Brown Windsor was a brand of soap allegedly invented by Richard Sturtevant in the early 19th century. It became a favorite of Napoleon and Prince Albert, and Lewis and Clark carried it on their journeys.

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 Post subject: Re: Windsor Soap
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:52 pm 

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Thanks, Irena. You must have some fascinating reference books at your disposal.

Oddly enough, I have the pettigrain. :)

I had read somewhere that caraway was the EO that made the soap Windsor, but Sandy's recipe didn't have that particular one.

Marilyn Mohr's The Art of Soapmaking has a recipe which includes sassafras. I was going to use that one, but when I got to ordering sassafras from my usual supplier, all kinds of alarms went off. I'd have to get some kind of special approval from the DEA. :shock:

I decided to use another recipe for the EO blend. :lol: :lol: :lol:

All I'm missing is the caraway and the thyme. My usual supplier has a $50 minimum order, and I JUST got an order from them. There was great hopping up and down on my part when I discovered I'd forgotten to order the thyme. I may just grit my teeth and order from them again. I just did a quick search through some of the other EO suppliers I have bookmarked, and none of those folks (except my usual, which is Liberty Natural) has the caraway. Argh, argh! :lol:

Oh well, such is the burden of the purist!

Thanks again for those recipes. I shall soldier onwards.

Anita

P.S. How are the leg cramps?


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 Post subject: Re: Windsor Soap
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:00 pm 
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Cassia 50%
Cumin 11%
Clove 11%
Lavender 11%
Thyme 7%
Neroli Pettigrain 11%

Cassia and clove are more than a "bit" too high in this recipe. The recommended maximum usage rates are 0.5%. Cassia is am irritant and strongly sensitizing (and is on the IFRA restricted list), and clove is a moderate to strong irritant. So even using the max amount may negatively affect some people.

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 Post subject: Re: Windsor Soap
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:13 pm 

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Tammy, I'm not sure if I was entirely clear in my original post, but those percentages are the percentage of the total EO blend, not as a percentage of the weight of the oils.

I did the math and the cassia would be 1.5% of the soap oils weight (which is high), and the clove would be .007%.

Or am I not understanding that the figures you quoted are percentages of the oil weight?

Also, is the 0.5% rate for each, or for those two in combination?

Thanks.

Anita


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 Post subject: Re: Windsor Soap
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:59 pm 
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NDA carries caraway eo and many others. They have a US store now also.

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 Post subject: Re: Windsor Soap
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