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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:30 pm 

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What is a water discount? Does this effect how long it takes the soap to harden?

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 Post subject: Re: water discount
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:44 pm 
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The amount of water that you use affects the cure time slightly, but not usually by a significant amount of time. The more water, the longer it will take for that water to evaporate, which is part of curing. While you can discount the water, reduce the water, you can only do so to a certain extent or else the lye bath will be too concentrated. Usually it is recommended that you never use less than 1.5 x's the lye weight, but really, I feel that 2x's is the lowest I would go unless I was doing an all olive oil. Often times, the lower your water, the less time you will have to mess around with your batter, so less coloring and swirling time.
Discount is just a way to say the amount of water you didn't use. If the calculator has 36% water as its default "full" water, then you use a discount, you simply didn't use the full amount.
ETA: Depending upon how much water you discount, the soap may be harder initially, as it comes out of the mold, but other environmental factors also affect the time needed to cure (humidity, air flow etc.).

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 Post subject: Re: water discount
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:05 pm 

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I never discount water, unless I am replacing some of the water with milk, which I don't really think counts as discounting. I have had the lye not dissolve all the way, and found myself trying to chip a lye cake off the bottom of my pitcher. I don't really think it shortens cure time, b/c part of curing is the soap gets milder as the chemical reaction finishes. So it may get harder faster, but I don't think it cures faster.


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 Post subject: Re: water discount
PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:49 pm 
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I discount water for pure castile for faster trace and a harder bar sooner.

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 Post subject: Re: water discount
PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:03 pm 
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When i use "soapcalc" or "thesage" soap calculator it shows a range of water for eg. 100-150gms of water. What is the right water amount to take in this frame?

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 Post subject: Re: water discount
PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:37 am 
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Thanks for your reply Irena. Since i'm new to soap making i make small batch only which is 400gms excl water & lye.

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 Post subject: Re: water discount
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In the beginning, when you are using an eo or fo that you have not used before, and when you are wanting to do a nice swirl or multiple colors, I suggest full water. Then, after you have a few batches under your belt you can begin to try discounted water and get a feel for what you prefer with which recipe, as recipes also make a difference.

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 Post subject: Re: water discount
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Hi Tammy, I'll follow your suggestion for next batch. I made a batch recently with less water, and when i put FO it traced really fast..i think now i know the reason.

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