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 Post subject: Water discount
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:44 pm 
Hey everyone. Been on soap sabbitical for several months. I made my favorite recipe and it turned out "gummy"....almost with an oily feel. I want to try a water discount. What's a good rule-of-thumb to discount? I used to do a percentage but can't remember cause it's been so long. Any help please?


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 Post subject: Re: Water discount
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:14 pm 
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I do a 40% discount if I know that the fragrance I use will behave.

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 Post subject: Re: Water discount
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:33 pm 
Do I understand correctly that if a recipe calls for 10 oz of water and 4 oz of lye that you will use only 6oz of water and 4 oz of lye? Don't mean to be skeptical but I was expecting more like 10 or 15%. I know you're more knowledgeable that most anybody here so I'm not questioning your opinion....I just want to make sure I understand correctly.

Also, can you please elaborate on the fragrance comment? Not sure what you mean.

Thanks Soapbuddy.


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 Post subject: Re: Water discount
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:41 pm 
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SuperSoaper wrote:
Do I understand correctly that if a recipe calls for 10 oz of water and 4 oz of lye that you will use only 6oz of water and 4 oz of lye? Don't mean to be skeptical but I was expecting more like 10 or 15%. I know you're more knowledgeable that most anybody here so I'm not questioning your opinion....I just want to make sure I understand correctly.

Also, can you please elaborate on the fragrance comment? Not sure what you mean.

Thanks Soapbuddy.

Yes. 6 ozs. of water and 4 ozs. of lye. I find if I use less water, sometimes not all of the lye will dissolve. This works with fragrances that don't accelerate trace or tend to seize. You don't want to end up with soap on a stick.

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 Post subject: Re: Water discount
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:41 am 
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would you discount the water to reduce cure time?


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 Post subject: Re: Water discount
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:46 am 
My reason for doing it is to produce a harder bar. Not sure about the cure time. I think it would still need to cure a minimum of 2 to 3 weeks.


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 Post subject: Re: Water discount
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:25 pm 
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Linda Wise wrote:
would you discount the water to reduce cure time?

You can, but I still prefer to wait 4-6 weeks for a full cure.

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 Post subject: Re: Water discount
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:04 am 
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does reduceing the water that much make the soap trace faster, or make it harder to pour?


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 Post subject: Re: Water discount
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:07 am 
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what fragrances would be safe to discount the water 40%?
and when you say soap cures 2 to 3 weeks are you talking about CPOP not CP?


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 Post subject: Re: Water discount
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:45 am 
A lot of floral notes will accelerate trace. BB has a fragrance that has become everyone's favorite called Arabian Spice. I make it with goat's milk and it's one thing I will sell out of at every show. It's a wonderful autumn scent. It's a great seller at my craft shows and flea market but will accelerate trace like nobody's business. I add it at medium trace, give it a few hand turns with the wire whisk, then "run" for the mold. If you haven't tried the Arabian Spice you should.....it's awesome and guys especially love the stuff. You just can't waste any time after you add it to CP.


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