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 Post subject: Bad luck with Lard
PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:48 am 

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Hi everyone,

I have made 100% coconut oil with a 20% superfat, no problems at all with that. The trace took a looong time but I was told that just mixing it and dumping it before trace was ok and I did that and it turned out wonderful.

I have attempted 100% lard on two occasions using soapcalc and a 5% superfat. Cold Process. The lard I rendered pure white myself. 33% water to oil ratio. On both occasions I have ended up with an oily mess. I mixed it at around 35 degrees centigrade with the lye and it VERY quickly came to trace. I read on other forums that lard was very slow to trace but I find that the opposite is true. It went to trace in under 3 minutes and from light trace to heavy in less than a minute. The oil and water did not separate and it's sitting in the moulds again but I can see what is going to happen again. I am going to end up with a lard block that is oily and I can't figure out why. If it isn't separating then it should be a proper trace, am I correct?

It's in the mould and it's not gelling, I'm not sure if this one gels or not but last time it was the same thing. After a couple of days it will finally get hard but it will be too oily to use.

What is the problem here? Can someone tell me?


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 Post subject: Re: Bad luck with Lard
PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:08 am 
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I use lard all the time and love how much time it gives me to play. I think you may be soaping too cool. 35 C is about 95 F correct? You may be getting a false trace because the lard is starting to re-solidify - so even though it looks like trace, it's really not. You may want to try going to about 105-110. When stick blending, just blend until emulsified and then try hand stirring. You could also try more water. Are you gelling the soap? Lard can have a fairly hot gel and that could be why it's separating. You could try not gelling to see if it does the same thing.

Goo luck! I hope you can figure out what's happening because lard makes a wonderful soap! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Bad luck with Lard
PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:32 am 

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I loved using lard as well, but have never made a bar with 100%. I don't find it to trace that quick! Did you use an accelerating fragrance? That can sometimes give false trace, and some will leak out of soap if you used too much. I don't soap as cool as you do, so what the previous poster said sounds right on to me but I thought I would mention the fragrance as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Bad luck with Lard
PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 2:26 pm 
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My question is why are you doing a bar that is 100% lard? We usually formulate a recipe because the other oils\butters bring some different properties to the soap. I would do 100% if I was looking to make laundry soap but then that would be grated to add with other things. I use lard in my recipe to replace the palm oil, not only is it easier to work with but I like the end results.

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 Post subject: Re: Bad luck with Lard
PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:40 pm 

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The reason why I did 100% lard is because I wanted to see the properties of the oil as it is. That's also why I did the 100% coconut with a 20% superfat and that turned out wonderful.

So if I have the oil at around 110 or 120F the lye will prevent it from solidifying as the temp decreases?

What should I do with this batch, is it ok to rebatch it or is it garbage?


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 Post subject: Re: Bad luck with Lard
PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:06 am 
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would you be wanting to make laundry soap? Or could you grate it\ cut it in chunks to use as imbeds in other soap?
Why don't you try a recipe with your lard in it and let us know what you think?
There was a post a long time ago about single oil soaps... if I get a chance I will see if I can find it.

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 Post subject: Re: Bad luck with Lard
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You might find this useful: http://www.zensoaps.com/singleoil.htm


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