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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:13 pm 

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What happened and what do I do?

I will describe what I did and then give you the recipe.

Mixed olive oil and water lye mix at 135 degrees. Everything was on the stove top...burner on low! When the soap traced the temp was about 140. I added oatmeal & Lavender at that time and raised the temperature to 195 all the time blending the soap. I took out and put in my wooden mould and put into the oven set to 270. When I started to see mount Vesuvius begin it's eruption I took the mould out of the oven and stirred to keep the eruptions at bay...it took 30 mins for the turbulence to subside. All the while the soap got darker and darker. I took the temp and it was 215 degrees when the eruptions subsided. I noticed a lot of oil on the surface when I laid the mould into its shelf...it also looks like the soap is marbly.

questions...what happened? What should I have done?

Recipe
1100g olive oil
280g distilled water
142 g lye

3Tbs oatmeal ground fine
30g lavender EO

Any advice...will be welcome.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:54 pm 
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It seems like you were doing everything really hot and it overheated. Were you trying to CPOP? It sounds to me like the mix was too hot for that by the time you poured it. A good temp to mix at is 110, it's kind of a middle ground temp, some people do soap a little higher or lower but it depends on the ingredients and your experience. I've never seen a specific temp listed for CPOP before, but from what I've gathered if you don't want to accidentally cook or overheat the soap it never really gets above 200 degrees. Or not even close to 200 in some cases, depends on the recipe.

I don't know about the oil and marbled effect though, I hope someone else more experienced does.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:23 am 

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I think you are right about doing everything too hot.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:12 am 

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I just cut it into bars...pockets of Oil...was this a result of it getting too hot??


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:36 pm 
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WAY too hot! I don't mix lye/water and oil at anything over 120, and I set my oven to 170* when I CPOP. I also never use the stove when making soap (other than melting oils or making liquid soap in a double boiler)! Not sure if you wanted to HP or CPOP? You did a little of each :o If you want to do HP soap I recommend a crock pot, as the heat source is more stable (stoves fluctuate). If you want to do CPOP you make the soap CP style, then let it 'cook' in a very low temperature oven for a time until it has fully gelled.

For your recipe I would combine the oils, EO and oatmeal and blend until the oatmeal is fully dispersed in the oils. Then add the lye/water mix when both it and the oil mixture are around 110*F (preferably no more than 10*F difference in temperature). Blend until light-medium trace, and pour into the wooden mold. Set in 170*F oven for ~1 hour or until you see that full gel has occurred. This should put you at minimal risk for more volcanoes! :mrgreen:

I'd also bin the batch you described above :(

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:29 pm 
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People soaped on the stove long before they learned to cold process, so no problem with doing it that way, you just need to be careful. Always use a pot that is no more than 1/2 to 1/3 full of batter before you begin to cook it. That gives you room to beat it down and keep it in the pot. Keep the temp low and consistent and stir, stir, stir. I like to add my lye to oil that is about 125 F and I try to keep the lye within 5 degrees of the oil temp, however, I have soaped hot plenty of times without having this/any issue. That being said, yes, this was probably a bit too hot.
Then, you used a very low amount of water as well. Again, this is something that you can do, that I regularly do, but when you do, you can run into issues and must be extra careful. Both soaping hot and using a high lye concentration encourage a fast trace and raise the odds of causing a volcano.

Also, you commented that you raised the temp. Did you mean that the temp raised on its own, or did you mean that you purposely attempted to rise it? Of course the scent can/usually does raise temps, that is normal. How you are making your soap will determine what should be the next step.
IF you are doing hot process, then you would continue to cook the soap (without adding scent yet) until the lye is cooked out, then shut the heat off and add the colorant, additive and scent, then pour into the mold as soon as you have everything mixed in. This does not need to go into the oven, as it is finished cooking already. Using a crock pot is easier for some people, but using the stove top is easier for others. It is all in the way you learn and practice. This type is ready to use after it is made, as saponification is complete, however I still think it gets a bit better with a small cure time (days, not weeks).
IF you are doing a modified cpop, then once you reach trace you should remove the pot from the heat as you continue to mix while you add the colorant(s), the additive(s), and the scent. Once they are completely mixed in, you then pour the batter into the mold, and either leave it sit in the mold or you can finish it in the oven, whichever way you prefer. When you use the oven to finish it off though, it is better to go with 170-175 F or your oven's warm setting in order to reduce the risk of super heating and a volcano. Watch it closely, and once you see it gel, turn the oven off and just leave it sit in there a bit more. Remember that this soap will need cure time, as it isn't completely saponified for a while.

As for the oil seepage, it may have not been completely emulsified to begin with, and what you got was just normal oil separation. But, sometimes when a batch overheats/superheats, since the stability of the emulsion is messed up, it separates. Either way, you have to watch these batches for lye pockets and for lye heaviness. Sometimes they will reabsorb and be fine, but sometimes the imbalance caused by the separation will cause you issues. If you have oil pockets or seeping oil after allowing it to set a few days, test it for lye issues throughout. You may need to rebatch it or even toss it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:59 pm 

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Thanx so much for the comments...tips, and advice. I didn't bin the soap. I re batched and made a nice soap as a finished product.

However, I will not try a wild experiment again.

Steve


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